Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:48 pm

I don't have a Top Tier, but I do have a torque wrench from Harbor Freight which is handy for changing the tires on my car, tightening the drain plug on my motorcycle, etc. They do have other uses.
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:15 pm

speaking of torque wrenches, I was putting together my Top Tier yesterday. I work for an electrical contractor, and we have hundreds of torque wrenches at the shop. I brought one home to check the torque the bolts, as specified. The F'ing POS wrench was beat to crap, and didn't work, which I discovered by over torquing a bolt on my shelf, and ripped the head right off the bolt. I'll be taking it to work tomorrow and throwing it away.
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:08 pm

Brewing_In_MKE wrote:speaking of torque wrenches, I was putting together my Top Tier yesterday. I work for an electrical contractor, and we have hundreds of torque wrenches at the shop. I brought one home to check the torque the bolts, as specified. The F'ing POS wrench was beat to crap, and didn't work, which I discovered by over torquing a bolt on my shelf, and ripped the head right off the bolt. I'll be taking it to work tomorrow and throwing it away.


I bought a torque wrench from harbor freight, and did the same thing. Tore a bolt clean off. In my mind, I'm worried I ruined my stand, but I'm probably OK.
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:21 am

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So if you're running an eHERMS, you've got to have some sort of control panel setup. How are you managing that? Have you attached it to the stand or have a stand alone unit?

I'm running a RIMS, and am having a hard time finding a good place to attach a control panel that isn't either under a burner or over the BK.
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:27 am

andy77 wrote:

So if you're running an eHERMS, you've got to have some sort of control panel setup. How are you managing that? Have you attached it to the stand or have a stand alone unit?.


Yeah, that's the downside to the whole setup. I've got a 220V control panel with two switches (pump and thermostat) and a cord for the Ranco. I had an electrician install a 220V and a 120V on the outside of my house with the whole GFCI thing at the circuitbox.

I set the control pad on a table next to the TopTier along with the Ranco for the HLT and the Ranco for the mash. It's a bit of a messy setup, but in the end it works out fine. I keep the TopTier outside underneath a big canvas cover and move everything else into my garage.

I've made about 10 all-grain brews with the TopTier/eHerms setup in the past two months, and I'm nailing my mash temps within a .5 degree +/-. So long as the HLT water is circulated (with a second pump), I essentially set the HLT at my mash temp -- maybe one degree hotter -- with my Ranco and my HEX-out hits the mash temp exactly. I use an analog thermometer at the HEX-out, a Ranco in the HLT to control the temp, and then my second Ranco as a temp probe in the bottom of the MLT (it's usually about 2-4 degrees cooler at the bottom of the mash). It's a temp probe only -- not controlling anything. Next year, I'll move the Ranco from my HLT to the HEX-out. I figure the only temperature I need to worry about is the HEX-out -- so I've got the thermowell and couplers to install the Ranco to adjust the HLT based on the HEX-out.

I've dialed in everything -- and now my whole brewday takes about 6.5 hours. 1.5 hours to set-up everything and heat the water and get everything equalized in the HLT and MLT -- and then another 4.5 hours give or take to mash, sparge, and boil. 30 mins to clean and put away everything. I've been doing 1 to 1.5 hour mashes, 1 to 1.5 hour fly sparge, and always 90 minute boils. I'm getting around 75-80% efficiency -- so for me, that's good enough. Using a Barley Crusher set to the default gap.

Interestingly, it was only after I put together my cooler/water bath fermentation chambers that my beers actually started to improve. The eHerms is cool, and I'm glad I've got it all working on the TopTier, but it didn't really improve my beers. Its evened out the process and made it predictable -- but it was figuring out how to nail 62F (or whatever) during fermentation that sent my brews through the roof (according to me, at least). :) My basement is 66-68F ambient, but with a couple of igloo coolers and water bottles (of various sizes), I can keep the ferm temp anywhere from 58F to 66F. I've got a little aquarium heater and pump I'm using with a third Ranco to ramp temps up for Belgians. I've got NB's Patersbier fermenting at 74F with the pump/heater/Ranco setup in a water bath (using Wyeast 3787). Plus, I decided I'm working with only S-05, Pacman, and 3787 this year -- so I'm trying to get a handle on just a few yeasts.

Now (finally) I feel like I can concentrate on the specifics of the yeasts and the styles and no longer worry about the process. I just bought a little Cookshack smoker, so I'm planning to bbq at the same time I'm brewing. :)
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:09 am

how did you make your cooler/water bath fermentation chamber?
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:17 am

Brewing_In_MKE wrote:how did you make your cooler/water bath fermentation chamber?


60qt igloo cooler, filled with water to about two inches below wort level, place underneath air conditioner vent in cool-ish basement. I swap out one frozen water bottle in the morning, and I can easily maintain 60F. If fermentation is going strong, it's a water bottle in the am and then another in the late pm. I've got a cheapo thermoprobe taped to the side of the my 6 gallon better bottle and an lcd thermostrip and they're both within 2 degrees of each other, so I'm pretty confident of my temp. Super cheap, super simple, although the 60 quart igloos are hard to find now. I've got three, but I'm going to use the third for my BBQ (to keep the foil and towel-wrapped brisket warm! :))

Next step is going to be seal the cooler with the fermenter (foam top with hole drilled for air lock) and then use PVC to connect a smaller cooler filled with ice. Computer power supply to spin a computer fan inside the PVC to blow iced air through pvc based on Ranco set-point. I've got all the gear, but I don't have a good way to cut through the cooler wall. But since this is working out so well -- and is pretty low-impact -- I'm not in a hurry to rig up the full-blown fan. I think one cooler with ice should be able to supply two fermentation coolers (each connected with fan via PVC).

Even without the air conditioner vent, I can still do 62F with one small frozen bottle, 60F with two large Smart-water bottles, and can dip way low to 58 or so with a frozen half-and-half container in the water along with the bottles.

No towels or t-shirts or even a top on the cooler. Just the 5gall fermenter in with I'd say maybe 2 gallons of water (3/4 up the fernmenter's side).

The first few times I peeked way too much at the temperature, but I realize between the wort and the cooler water, it's a *very* slow swing -- even when fermentation is going strong. I'm fermenting a Honey Brown Ale I did two days ago w/Pacman. I went to bed last night and it was 61F (ambient 64), woke up and it was at 62.5 or so. Swapped out the water bottle, and it was back down to 60.5 before I went to work. I expect it'll be around 61.5 or so when I come home from work. Mid-week, I'm confident the fermentation will be mostly over, and I'll be able to use just one bottle every 24 hours (if that) to maintain 61-62F or so for the rest of the fermentation over the next three weeks.

My other cooler has the pump/heater/ranco -- and it's steady at 74F. It dips to 73, the Ranco kicks on, and after three hours, it's back to 74. It took about 24-36 hours to raise the 3787 from 65F pitching temp to 72F after three days at 65F. I worried that that might be too fast a swing, but we'll see. If so, I'll redo the batch and ramp it up 1-1.5 degrees per 24 hours (which is essentially just hitting a button on my Ranco). The Patersbier started a bit strong -- 1.070, but it's down to 1.020 after 6 days with only a slight -- very slight -- bannana taste. If I didn't specifically look for it, I probably wouldn't peg it as bannana -- more like a mild spiciness. I'm hoping this gets down to 1.012 or so (no incremental feeding of sugar).

I'm using an old Radio Shack digital thermometer for the ambient temp control (velcro'd) to my basement wall. And I'm using these nifty little digital thermometers duct-taped to the side of the fermenter (above the water line) and a LCD thermostrip to zero in on the fermentation temp:

http://www.tequipment.net/GeneralMDP300PP.html

I figure if the LCD tempstrip and the digital thermometer agree, then we're in business. I heard John Maier say he ferments at 60F with Pacman (and has gone way, way lower on occasion) -- so I'm going to try something like that for my next brew -- a black IPA. (I suspect the shape of the fermenter has a lot to do with it, too -- conical versus better bottle (which I'm using) -- but I have no good way to temp control my minibrew 7 gallon conical. It may be relegated to early spring/late fall brews, where the basement stays very cool and I don't have to worry about all this.)
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Re: Blichmann Top Tier: Reviews, Pics, Tips, etc.

Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:53 am

bobjohnson wrote:... 20 foot pounds is not alot of torque, so it would be easy to over tighten if you do it with a regular wrench..


From high school shop class, 15 ft-lbs is about what you could reasonably do with your hand at the end of a ratchet closest to the bolt head and turning with just your wrist.
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