Re: HopBlocker and the whirlpool

Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:52 am

the hop blocker works by drawign wort off at different points along the water column.
The reason it works is so stupid and simple that it's pure elegance (save for the part about having to jam crap in your clean wort and manipulate the gizmo). It is so elegant and simple in concept that I started kicking myself the moment I saw it because I didn't think of it first.

Fast flowing fluid carries crap along with it. Fluid in a pot flows out from a port in the bottom fastest when the water column is high. That's it~!! That's the whole concept in a nutshell.

I really don't like how Blichmann executed on the concept, but that's another story.

At any rate the thing works because of the weight on the water column. When there's a lot of wort in the BK there's a lot of force pushing wort through the dip tube. This high force causes a strong rush of fluid which picks up all the trub, hop debris, and crap from the cold break and carries it to the dip tube.

The hop blocker initially draws wort off from a higher point, thus accomplishing two things: (1) it is drawing wort a few inches above the trub and crap where it will have to fight gravity to climb the water column to get out and (2) it takes wort out higher up where the force of the rush of fluid is lesser. So, you get less trub.

Throttling on the valve is one way to reduce the rush of wort. Depending on how well settled the cold break is you may want to do this. You could also let the wort rest for a few hours to let the cold break congeal. I do this. I have also just transferred everything to the conical, let the trub settle out there ,and dumped the break and trub from the conical later on.

I haven't ever quite gotten my head around the whole "whirlpool" thing.
Never works for me.

No matter what I do, the trub ends up dispersed in an even self leveling layer across the bottom of my BK. So if I want to eliminate as much trub as possible, I just put a little block under one edge of the pot (tilting it) so the trub flows to the lowest point, leaving one part of the pot largely trub free (where the pick up tube is).
HEY~!! It's a hobby~!! It's NOT supposed to make sense~!!
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Re: HopBlocker and the whirlpool

Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:30 pm

I use a hopblocker with a whirlpool recirc chilling arm. I use a march pump to recirc.

I have no problems with this and it all works fantastic. Previously I never used to be able to get a decent whilrpool effect just stiring with a spoon. The kettle would drain and leave a flat layer of crap. Now I get a nice mound of crap in the middle !

The only issue is that everything only just squeezes in my NB 15 gal kettle. I had to make my own copper dip tube for the hopblocker, this took up space, and then the hopblocker and the I.C. all basically fill the kettle up. So Im ok, but others thinking of doing similar should take some measurements.

The hopblocker slows the rate of recirc down a bit, so the whirlpool doesnt exactly look very convincing, but it seems to work in the end.

So for me, I get excellent cooling times, good filtering of trub and hops, and I dont have to worry about cleaning out/blocking a plate chiller - which is what I thought of doing but changed my mind.

I did screw up once and connected the kettle spigot to the output (instead of input) of my march pump - took me 10 mins to figure out why it wasnt working !
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Re: HopBlocker and the whirlpool

Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:38 am

craigevo wrote:I use a hopblocker with a whirlpool recirc chilling arm. I use a march pump to recirc.

I have no problems with this and it all works fantastic. Previously I never used to be able to get a decent whilrpool effect just stiring with a spoon. The kettle would drain and leave a flat layer of crap. Now I get a nice mound of crap in the middle !


How long do you recirculate?
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Re: HopBlocker and the whirlpool

Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:55 pm

I recirc for the last 15 mins of boil and then however long to cool until i get down to pitching.

Estimates for time to cool for ales (18*C) 20 mins. Lagers (8*C) 40 mins.

After cooling to pitching temp I turn off the whirlpool pump and leave for 20 mins for trub to settle.
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Re: HopBlocker and the whirlpool

Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:25 pm

Nice, good to hear. I was placing a bargainfittings order anyway (need to add a spigot to my soon-to-be older 8gal kettle) so I added the whirlpool thingy they've got. Sounds like fun.

Now if only blichmann would ship my darn brewery. There's only so much I can do playing with stainless fittings and hoses- I needs me some kettles and burners!
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